More Voltage out than in – Water Captret

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More Voltage out than in – Water Captret

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I have a very simple setup that shows a higher voltage than what‘s in the battery that I’m using. Its based off my captret ideas. It’s simple and cheap to make, all you need is aluminum foil, clear plastic cups, scissors, and tape.
Where the battery would have 4.05 volts in it the water captret would increase it to 4.09 or even more with some fine tuning. Hooking a capacitor up and it would charge the capacitor to the higher voltage.

You wrap the outer of the clear plastic cup with about 1 to 2 inches of aluminum foil. Then on the inside you fill it up with aluminum foil, basically you want the aluminum foil on the inside of the cup to be bigger than the aluminum foil on the outside. But both pieces must never touch and if they do they will short out the battery. Fill up the cup to the top with regular tap water from the sink. Take a piece of aluminum foil that is a half inch or smaller in thickness and place it in the middle of the water, it must not touch the other pieces of aluminum; it should only be touching water.

Connect the outer piece of aluminum foil to the positive of a 9 volt battery and the inner piece of aluminum foil to the negative. Take your meter and connect the positive of the meter to positive of the battery. The negative of your meter will connect to the half inch or smaller piece that will hang in the middle of the water, Move that piece around to find the best voltages. You should now be reading more voltage then what your battery has.

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Try adding borax or baking soda to the tap water.

I have observed an interesting N type negative resistance effect that happens only when the tip of a very sharp aluminum electrode is just barely touching the top surface of the solution.

Borax Solution

GB

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Baking Soda Variable Electrolytic Capacitor.

GB

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It looks like you read the PESwiki article on the "Electret Effect", which I posted in your captret thread at OU.com. It's good to see someone is experimenting.

GB

[NickZ]

Guys:
I have been working on the combination of the Captret to the Jt. I have two sets of three capacitors (captret) and one 9 volt battery connected to a basic Jt. It has been running for several days now without discharging the battery. If the battery does drop the in voltage by 1 volt or so, it soon makes up for it by bringing it back up to where it was before. But, the one led light is so weak in the morning after running all night that there is no usable light coming from it.
The Jtc is actually using more voltage than if the circuit just had the Captret direct to the led. I have removed the normal resistor that goes on the transistor base just to make sure it was not affecting the the small amount of voltage produced by the Captret. The combined circuits may not produce enough Current to do any real work. I was hoping to see the Jt actually work well with the Captret circuit, and raise the total output, but so far this has not been the case for me. The battery is still almost full after several days of lighting an led by this method, but the led at times is too dim any real useful light.
I'm still working towards making a self-running Jt-captret. It is already self-running and recharging, but the led is not as bright as I'd like it to be. Any Ideas?????
NickZ

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Try running more captrets..

Guys:
I have been working on the combination of the Captret to the Jt. I have two sets of three capacitors (captret) and one 9 volt battery connected to a basic Jt. It has been running for several days now without discharging the battery. If the battery does drop the in voltage by 1 volt or so, it soon makes up for it by bringing it back up to where it was before. But, the one led light is so weak in the morning after running all night that there is no usable light coming from it.
The Jtc is actually using more voltage than if the circuit just had the Captret direct to the led. I have removed the normal resistor that goes on the transistor base just to make sure it was not affecting the the small amount of voltage produced by the Captret. The combined circuits may not produce enough Current to do any real work. I was hoping to see the Jt actually work well with the Captret circuit, and raise the total output, but so far this has not been the case for me. The battery is still almost full after several days of lighting an led by this method, but the led at times is too dim any real useful light.
I'm still working towards making a self-running Jt-captret. It is already self-running and recharging, but the led is not as bright as I'd like it to be. Any Ideas?????
NickZ

I found that running several captrets in parallel increases the available push to the captret. I have run several up to 8 in parallel and have gotten great results.

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In doing more experiments I have confirmed that there is no water battery effect in the water Captret. First clue was that two similar metals don’t produce a galvanic reaction. The next and the biggest clue was when I replaced the small aluminum strip with copper or steel and the opposite happen, the voltage went down as if the copper or steel acted more like a resistor just because it couldn’t tune into the aluminum of the other plates. Also with a galvanic reaction one of the metals break down and fall into the water which changes the color of the water, the Water Captret is still clear and clean.

So far it works great with other batteries; I’ve tried 12 volt, 1.5 volts, and 9 volts. All batteries seem to get an increase in output voltage and that increase is able to charge a capacitor.

Also something weird happens when you disconnect the battery; it seems the captret part will hold a charge that acts like an electret. The charge is small but when shorted it and allowed to sit for a few seconds it will bounce back up.


The reason why I think it’s getting a voltage increase has to do with the capacitance and the third plate.

So far the simple fact is that I’m getting more voltage out, and it’s able to charge a capacitor, and I’m only using water and aluminum foil and not any complex coils or circuits. The Water Captret is easy to build and requires no knowledge of coils or any real circuit knowledge.

It’s simple putting more voltage out than what I put in.

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I like to think of the water captret as a negative resistor, where a normal resistor decreases this water captret increases. The water captret can produce more voltage out than whats inside of a battery with only two pieces of aluminum foil and water.

But this effect doesn't last forever. The water captret is consuming the water, and how its doing it is by electrolysis. Small hydrogen bubbles pop up on the outer aluminium foil, so this might be where this extra voltage is coming from.

Whats even more amazing when you think about it, water just like air are merely resistors. Even though the water is a resistor the water captret still can push more voltage through due to the separation of the water.

So the Water Captret is consuming the water and the by-product is hydrogen. Thats like being able drink water and pee gold.

And even though the voltage increase and hydrogen increase is small its still better than nothing, and any increase is monumental.
WaterCaptret diagram.jpg

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I like to think of the water captret as a negative resistor, where a normal resistor decreases this water captret increases. The water captret can produce more voltage out than whats inside of a battery with only two pieces of aluminum foil and water.

But this effect doesn't last forever. The water captret is consuming the water, and how its doing it is by electrolysis. Small hydrogen bubbles pop up on the outer aluminium foil, so this might be where this extra voltage is coming from.

Whats even more amazing when you think about it, water just like air are merely resistors. Even though the water is a resistor the water captret still can push more voltage through due to the separation of the water.

So the Water Captret is consuming the water and the by-product is hydrogen. Thats like being able drink water and pee gold.

And even though the voltage increase and hydrogen increase is small its still better than nothing, and any increase is monumental.
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Why is the outer 2" foil layer missing in this version?

Cheers,

s.

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Why is the outer 2" foil layer missing in this version?

Cheers,

s.

it wasn't really needed, but if yours doesn't work you might need to hook up the outer foil.

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water captret/possible conditioning

Years ago, when I was working with a brown's gas generator that used two sets of stainless steel plates in sodium hydroxide, I noticed that after the system had been used for a while, the plates acted like a battery. The effect was probably due to small amounts of oxide or chemical changes on each plate, even though there weren't large visual differences. As you run the water captret, I would guess something similar would happen to condition the aluminum plates to start behaving more like a battery if you don't switch polarities.

I also want to thank you for your posts on these "simple" contraptions. I've put in many, many hours chasing simple systems to generate power, including galvanic response (ever hear of the duluc dry cell???). I want a high power overunity system that is SIMPLE to reproduce and always have felt that that was the key. If it's simple, people WILL reproduce it. Keep up the search and don't get discouraged! And if you get a chance, check our Dr. Stiffler's latest video on youtube if you haven't already--I think you'll be suprised (YouTube - Hybrid Exciters Part#4)

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Years ago, when I was working with a brown's gas generator that used two sets of stainless steel plates in sodium hydroxide, I noticed that after the system had been used for a while, the plates acted like a battery. The effect was probably due to small amounts of oxide or chemical changes on each plate, even though there weren't large visual differences. As you run the water captret, I would guess something similar would happen to condition the aluminum plates to start behaving more like a battery if you don't switch polarities.

I also want to thank you for your posts on these "simple" contraptions. I've put in many, many hours chasing simple systems to generate power, including galvanic response (ever hear of the duluc dry cell???). I want a high power overunity system that is SIMPLE to reproduce and always have felt that that was the key. If it's simple, people WILL reproduce it. Keep up the search and don't get discouraged! And if you get a chance, check our Dr. Stiffler's latest video on youtube if you haven't already--I think you'll be suprised (YouTube - Hybrid Exciters Part#4)

I don't think i ever heard of the duluc dry cell, do you have any info on it?

I'm to working on simple, easy to make overunity/free energy devices too. I belive in the KISS method (Keep it simple stupid), plus the most simple things give us the complex explanation.

I've already had the Stifflers videos brought to my attention, and i do find it funny. I wrote how I feel about it over in the orginal Captret thread.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6684-captret-perpetual-light-dead-batteries-19.html

Thanks.

[Zooty]

Still no input/output power measurements. Could be an efficient step up transformer but even then, the step up is minute. Without current measurements and power calculations, an increase in voltage means absolutely nothing. There is no control experiment to compare to either. Please remember that when you charge a cap from a battery, you loose around 50% of the energy because the current surge is very high, causing a lot of heat in the conductors. Realistically, your cap is only going to give you half of what you put in. Now take in to account the captret side which is not as much as the normal cap output itself, this setup is below cop 1.

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duluc dry cell

For the duluc dry cell check out wikipedia:

Zamboni pile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The duluc dry cell is basically a pile of metal discs and insulators stacked high enough and compressed to yield a "free" electrostatic potential around a couple thousand volts at very low amperage. The cool thing is, unlike a standard battery, it doesn't corrode since there's no electrolyte so it should last indefinitely. I once made a rough calculation that if you filled a whole 20 foot by 20 foot room with plates, you might be able to power a house on it.

I started putting one together and gave up when 500 layers still didn't produce a measurable voltage. You basically layer metal 1, followed by an insulator, then metal two, then repeat starting again with metal one. The galvanic voltage between the dissimilar metals is strong enough when the pile is compressed to create a small voltage. You need MANY, MANY layers for it to work.

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Here's how I make my Water Captret Batteries.

YouTube - How to make a Water Captret Battery.MP4



Someone has pointed out to me that the Water Captret Battery has a magnetic field around it when a compass is place near it, its small but noticeable.